Monday, October 31, 2005
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'Janey bhi dho yaaron' is a classic hindi movie which will appear in the list of top 5 all time comedy movies of any hindi movie watcher.
Here are few pictures from the final chasings... Let me know if it reminds you of any Tamil movie :D.
First car arrives at the lonely house
First group of people rush into the building
There is a open view balcony on the top floor
The second group arrives
The third group arrives and they take the stairs to go to the top floor
Different doors in the house is used to do make each group move around without noticeing each other.
Fourth group arrives
commotion in the balcony
They bail out by jumping from the balcony
Here are few pictures from the final chasings... Let me know if it reminds you of any Tamil movie :D.
First car arrives at the lonely house
First group of people rush into the building
There is a open view balcony on the top floor
The second group arrives
The third group arrives and they take the stairs to go to the top floor
Different doors in the house is used to do make each group move around without noticeing each other.
Fourth group arrives
commotion in the balcony
They bail out by jumping from the balcony
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vatsan,
enna kelvi ithu.Kamal mella avvalao nambikkaiya??. JHDY was released in 1983.
visithra,
wishing you also a very happy diwali.
enna kelvi ithu.Kamal mella avvalao nambikkaiya??. JHDY was released in 1983.
visithra,
wishing you also a very happy diwali.
Vatsan ,
Too Obvious question.If sen has posted this the answer is the Hindi movie predates MMKT.
Sen ,
I have thought well about this inspirations.This from my own expereince of writing stories.Forgive me ,if its long .- i thought we need to discuss of what is an inspiration and what is a copy !
First of all ,we need to differentiate between a novel and film .Film is an visual way of telling things .You can say the same incident in two different ways .Here the stress is on how the thing is told than what the thing actually is .But in novel the stress is more on what the thing is .This is because in Novel ,the images are in the viewer's head and in movie ,we actually see through our eyes.
It is impossible to create a story out of pure imagination.It has to be INSPIRED .Only thing is that we don't know the source .I see no difference between an inspiration from another movie or a real incident .
You can take an idea from another
movie ,an real incident,from a novel ,few incidents from real or reel life .Everything is fine .But the dialogues ,characterisations ,incidents ,the twists,way of narration has to be original.This is where ManiRatnam scores heavily .His way of visuals is way different from others .
Classic Example will be Thalapathi,Devar Magan ,Thenali ,Anbe Sivam ,Pithamagan,mahanadhi which is nothing but Mahabaratam,Godfather ,Dr.Bob,PTA ,NandaVanthil oru aandi,real incident .All these are genuine inspirations which was totally modified .Creativity does not suffer here .
In this specific cas....
For example ,if kamal has taken the idea ' 4 different groups creating a confusion on the top of the hill ' and had used his version of the sequences ,its ok .From the pictures u have attached ,looks like its a lift !
But having said that ,i find other comparisons un acceptable ,esp Anbe Sivam and Planes Trains Automobiles movie .That was just an idea what will happen if two characters accidentally meet .This has been done in many tamizh movies .Further Anbe SIvam is way way way ahead of PTA ,in my opinion and teh subject is different.
In that way ,i would say ,there i nothing creative in Kadhal,as far a story is concerned .It has been dealt in many films.A boy and girl elope ,get caught ,boy gets punished ,girl takes care of the boy after her marriage - thst it .The director has got the whole story from a guy .What's creative here now ? Its the way of visuals ,narration style is where the director did really well.
Finally regarding Kamal ,i do accept that he has lifted some scenes from other movies ,but in lot of other cases ,he has totally re done the movie ,just taking the concept.
With regards to acting ,its another blog .Its again totally different from direction.
Too Obvious question.If sen has posted this the answer is the Hindi movie predates MMKT.
Sen ,
I have thought well about this inspirations.This from my own expereince of writing stories.Forgive me ,if its long .- i thought we need to discuss of what is an inspiration and what is a copy !
First of all ,we need to differentiate between a novel and film .Film is an visual way of telling things .You can say the same incident in two different ways .Here the stress is on how the thing is told than what the thing actually is .But in novel the stress is more on what the thing is .This is because in Novel ,the images are in the viewer's head and in movie ,we actually see through our eyes.
It is impossible to create a story out of pure imagination.It has to be INSPIRED .Only thing is that we don't know the source .I see no difference between an inspiration from another movie or a real incident .
You can take an idea from another
movie ,an real incident,from a novel ,few incidents from real or reel life .Everything is fine .But the dialogues ,characterisations ,incidents ,the twists,way of narration has to be original.This is where ManiRatnam scores heavily .His way of visuals is way different from others .
Classic Example will be Thalapathi,Devar Magan ,Thenali ,Anbe Sivam ,Pithamagan,mahanadhi which is nothing but Mahabaratam,Godfather ,Dr.Bob,PTA ,NandaVanthil oru aandi,real incident .All these are genuine inspirations which was totally modified .Creativity does not suffer here .
In this specific cas....
For example ,if kamal has taken the idea ' 4 different groups creating a confusion on the top of the hill ' and had used his version of the sequences ,its ok .From the pictures u have attached ,looks like its a lift !
But having said that ,i find other comparisons un acceptable ,esp Anbe Sivam and Planes Trains Automobiles movie .That was just an idea what will happen if two characters accidentally meet .This has been done in many tamizh movies .Further Anbe SIvam is way way way ahead of PTA ,in my opinion and teh subject is different.
In that way ,i would say ,there i nothing creative in Kadhal,as far a story is concerned .It has been dealt in many films.A boy and girl elope ,get caught ,boy gets punished ,girl takes care of the boy after her marriage - thst it .The director has got the whole story from a guy .What's creative here now ? Its the way of visuals ,narration style is where the director did really well.
Finally regarding Kamal ,i do accept that he has lifted some scenes from other movies ,but in lot of other cases ,he has totally re done the movie ,just taking the concept.
With regards to acting ,its another blog .Its again totally different from direction.
Sen
" enna kelvi ithu.Kamal mella avvalao nambikkaiya??. JHDY was released in 1983." :)
Kamals original inspirations I guess ;) Hehe!!
" enna kelvi ithu.Kamal mella avvalao nambikkaiya??. JHDY was released in 1983." :)
Kamals original inspirations I guess ;) Hehe!!
ramki,
For your info that is what Dr.Deva and P.Vasu are also doing.
ganesh,
Next rajini pathi ezhuthuraen :)
munimma,
Iam not sure how much of things are inspired from gold rush.But there are other scenes in MMKR which are also inspired from JBDY.
For your info that is what Dr.Deva and P.Vasu are also doing.
ganesh,
Next rajini pathi ezhuthuraen :)
munimma,
Iam not sure how much of things are inspired from gold rush.But there are other scenes in MMKR which are also inspired from JBDY.
No doubt that its a lift!
However, my 2 paises worth on this one...
Satyajit Ray had seen a European film in which the concept of "freeze" [the frame being still as though the pause button was pressed] was employed for the first time ever, in the film's final frame. Ray himself used this in one of his movies Charulata(?).
It won't be difficult to find many such instances where techniques, styles, situations, compositions and scenes (per se) have been lifted from one movie and used in others. What Deva and P.Vasu are doing may or may not be compared to what Kamal is doing. That maybe debatable but what is easily discernable is the differenece in quality between what Deva does and what Kamal Sir does :)
Moreover, just because the climax is lifted from JDBY does not take anything away from MMKR or Kamal....
However, my 2 paises worth on this one...
Satyajit Ray had seen a European film in which the concept of "freeze" [the frame being still as though the pause button was pressed] was employed for the first time ever, in the film's final frame. Ray himself used this in one of his movies Charulata(?).
It won't be difficult to find many such instances where techniques, styles, situations, compositions and scenes (per se) have been lifted from one movie and used in others. What Deva and P.Vasu are doing may or may not be compared to what Kamal is doing. That maybe debatable but what is easily discernable is the differenece in quality between what Deva does and what Kamal Sir does :)
Moreover, just because the climax is lifted from JDBY does not take anything away from MMKR or Kamal....
Sen,
noticing the "similarity" in the two hilarious sequences now?
But (not very surprisingly for you :)), I disagree. I think you really, with some hardwork, chose the snapshots to highlight the similarities. The sequences themselves are vastly different and I would like to point out that every alternate comedy movie ends up in a big chase sequence (with preferrably different vehicles and stuff). I wonder if you have seen, say, the 1960's classic "It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World", for instance? I am not doing a everybody-lifts-repartee here. I am just saying you are pointing out small similarities and passing them off as big inspirations. Again, I am not saying that there must not have been ANY inspiration at first place. May be JBDY (and it jolly well deserves to have!!) inspired that sequence in MMKR. But, placing the movie's originality (to even the slightest levels, that is) in doubts based on this is atrociously absurd, if you ask me.
P.S.:- the malai-bangala sequence does pay homage to "Gold Rush" and if you had seen that, you would sure called it a blatant lift :). Sure!
noticing the "similarity" in the two hilarious sequences now?
But (not very surprisingly for you :)), I disagree. I think you really, with some hardwork, chose the snapshots to highlight the similarities. The sequences themselves are vastly different and I would like to point out that every alternate comedy movie ends up in a big chase sequence (with preferrably different vehicles and stuff). I wonder if you have seen, say, the 1960's classic "It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World", for instance? I am not doing a everybody-lifts-repartee here. I am just saying you are pointing out small similarities and passing them off as big inspirations. Again, I am not saying that there must not have been ANY inspiration at first place. May be JBDY (and it jolly well deserves to have!!) inspired that sequence in MMKR. But, placing the movie's originality (to even the slightest levels, that is) in doubts based on this is atrociously absurd, if you ask me.
P.S.:- the malai-bangala sequence does pay homage to "Gold Rush" and if you had seen that, you would sure called it a blatant lift :). Sure!
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: 4:47 AM
: 4:47 AM
i was waiting for you zero and bala.Did i say that the whole movie was an inspiration??.
Everybody copies the technique etc.But how many movie, how many scenes?.He is obviously creating scenes with scenes of various other movies and that's how far his creativity goes.Accept it or not that is the truth.
The stupidity of deva and p vasu is that they are copying local stuff, hence they are local.
Everybody copies the technique etc.But how many movie, how many scenes?.He is obviously creating scenes with scenes of various other movies and that's how far his creativity goes.Accept it or not that is the truth.
The stupidity of deva and p vasu is that they are copying local stuff, hence they are local.
I knew you did wait for my response :)).
Sen, when did I say you said that the whole movie was an inspiration? Did u read my comment, again? I was talking about the sequence only.
Sen, when did I say you said that the whole movie was an inspiration? Did u read my comment, again? I was talking about the sequence only.
# posted by : 6:52 AM
: 6:52 AM
But, placing the movie's originality..
If this line was ambiguous, I meant the movie's originality within the sequence only :).
If this line was ambiguous, I meant the movie's originality within the sequence only :).
# posted by : 6:54 AM
: 6:54 AM
Sen,
"i was waiting for you zero and bala."
- We didn't disappoint you, did we?? :-))
"He is obviously creating scenes with scenes of various other movies and that's how far his creativity goes.Accept it or not that is the truth."
- That's throwing the baby out with the bath water. Your views and mine (and zero's?) proves that truth is a relative thing :)
"The stupidity of deva and p vasu is that they are copying local stuff, hence they are local."
- On the contrary (at least Deva), he is quite eclectic and copies from sources as different as old hindi songs, Rod Stewart, and hundreds of sources from the whole world :) In fact, the exercise of finding where Deva has lifted his tunes can be quite interesting in itself :)
I know you will say that's true with KH also but again i maintain that the difference is in the output and the examples of Kamal's creativity are too obvious to be quoted.
All in all, the motif of your post cannot be denied at all and its obvious that its a direct lift. To me, that doesn't mean he lacks creativity.
"i was waiting for you zero and bala."
- We didn't disappoint you, did we?? :-))
"He is obviously creating scenes with scenes of various other movies and that's how far his creativity goes.Accept it or not that is the truth."
- That's throwing the baby out with the bath water. Your views and mine (and zero's?) proves that truth is a relative thing :)
"The stupidity of deva and p vasu is that they are copying local stuff, hence they are local."
- On the contrary (at least Deva), he is quite eclectic and copies from sources as different as old hindi songs, Rod Stewart, and hundreds of sources from the whole world :) In fact, the exercise of finding where Deva has lifted his tunes can be quite interesting in itself :)
I know you will say that's true with KH also but again i maintain that the difference is in the output and the examples of Kamal's creativity are too obvious to be quoted.
All in all, the motif of your post cannot be denied at all and its obvious that its a direct lift. To me, that doesn't mean he lacks creativity.
Bala (Karthik) said the motif of your post cannot be denied at all and its obvious that its a direct lift.
Sen,
I have expressed my take on this in the last comment. I said in my previous comment-
you really, with some hardwork, chose the snapshots to highlight the similarities
As I said, a bewildering misconception has surfaced now that its actually a lift after reading this post. I guess nobody (who accepted that its a lift) has seen JBDY themselves. I still maintain its ridiculous (IMO) to call it a lift.
I still find it absurd as climactic chase sequences in comedies is a genre in itself and highlighting small similarities (like a couple of cars coming into a bungalow and a man hanging) can't be passed off as a lift. I wonder how you think such a chase sequence first ever came in JBDY and MMKR lifted the idea from JBDY. If you say that Kamal Haasan has seen JBDY and the impact is there in the way the scene is created, I don't deny the possibility. But questioning the originality of the the sequence as a whole doesn't make sense to me.
Sen,
I have expressed my take on this in the last comment. I said in my previous comment-
you really, with some hardwork, chose the snapshots to highlight the similarities
As I said, a bewildering misconception has surfaced now that its actually a lift after reading this post. I guess nobody (who accepted that its a lift) has seen JBDY themselves. I still maintain its ridiculous (IMO) to call it a lift.
I still find it absurd as climactic chase sequences in comedies is a genre in itself and highlighting small similarities (like a couple of cars coming into a bungalow and a man hanging) can't be passed off as a lift. I wonder how you think such a chase sequence first ever came in JBDY and MMKR lifted the idea from JBDY. If you say that Kamal Haasan has seen JBDY and the impact is there in the way the scene is created, I don't deny the possibility. But questioning the originality of the the sequence as a whole doesn't make sense to me.
# posted by : 9:21 PM
: 9:21 PM
zero,
No the story of the both the movies where different, the dress they were wearing were different, the character names where different the purpose why the chase happened was different.There is no mami character or patti character in JBDY.I think only if these things match you will call it a lift.So may be it is not a lift for u.
Kamal is a guy who gets inspired easily.He is a blind guy who can visualise things only through what other directors have already done and scenes like this are another example of that.
'If you say that Kamal Haasan has seen JBDY and the impact is there in the way the scene is created, I don't deny the possibility'
U dont deny the possibility??.Well ur hero workship bewildered's me now.
No the story of the both the movies where different, the dress they were wearing were different, the character names where different the purpose why the chase happened was different.There is no mami character or patti character in JBDY.I think only if these things match you will call it a lift.So may be it is not a lift for u.
Kamal is a guy who gets inspired easily.He is a blind guy who can visualise things only through what other directors have already done and scenes like this are another example of that.
'If you say that Kamal Haasan has seen JBDY and the impact is there in the way the scene is created, I don't deny the possibility'
U dont deny the possibility??.Well ur hero workship bewildered's me now.
Sen,
the problem is you don't seem to read my comment and think that I am defending Kamal Haasan, rather than MMKR (mirroring your thoughts on KH in general, rather than his work in MMKR). I am tired of this now :).
Repeat:
climactic chase sequences in comedies is a genre in itself
I am amazed by your, ahem, ignorance (w.r.t. movies), that you think this kinda chase sequence was a unique concept invented by JBDY and that MMKR lifted from it. And repeat again, I am not doing a everybody-lifts-in-some-way-or-other repartee here, which IMHO is a very stupid argument. I am saying you can't say a movie belonging to a certain genre, as a whole or in parts, lifted from another movie which also belongs to the same genre (maybe coz, you are hell-bent on finding some similarity between the latter and the former and call it a lift; OR coz, the latter unfortunately seems to be the only one you have watched).
And for god's sake, can you go grab a DVD of, say, "It's a mad, mad, mad, mad, world"? :)
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the problem is you don't seem to read my comment and think that I am defending Kamal Haasan, rather than MMKR (mirroring your thoughts on KH in general, rather than his work in MMKR). I am tired of this now :).
Repeat:
climactic chase sequences in comedies is a genre in itself
I am amazed by your, ahem, ignorance (w.r.t. movies), that you think this kinda chase sequence was a unique concept invented by JBDY and that MMKR lifted from it. And repeat again, I am not doing a everybody-lifts-in-some-way-or-other repartee here, which IMHO is a very stupid argument. I am saying you can't say a movie belonging to a certain genre, as a whole or in parts, lifted from another movie which also belongs to the same genre (maybe coz, you are hell-bent on finding some similarity between the latter and the former and call it a lift; OR coz, the latter unfortunately seems to be the only one you have watched).
And for god's sake, can you go grab a DVD of, say, "It's a mad, mad, mad, mad, world"? :)
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